it Does make a difference, and that difference can be huge, If you use the wrong Type and of course ,the wrong value. Use Ceramic- (here's the kicker-) class 2, tolerance +/-20% value .022 (darker-.047) Don't sub the class or tolerance. Don't care if you don't believe me, but I have done exhaustive testing, its interesting to me to note the many parts used in the Early days -because the were cheap -Are still the best to use today -even though we have so many choices. As R.G. would say -"A happy accident" There are exceptions, of course, But this isn't one of them. The recommendation (although it's more like permission not to feel guilty) for using a ceramic disc is fine by me. Other types may be more appropriate for FX or hi-fi design, but ceramic on an axe is hunky dory. I'm sure the Gerald Webers and Dan Torres's of the world might have some arcane notions about Sprague Orange drops or something, but I doubt whether other types make any difference once you've gone unbuffered through a budget 25' cable into four 12's full tilt. The *value* of that cap is something that long-time AMPAGE'rs know I have a touchy spot for. (Cripes, I'm starting to break out in a Billy Idol-cum-Elvis twitchy sneer right now!). When it comes to tone cap values, I think our "happy accident" from the 50's has turned into a blind juggernaut. You can lash me to the mast and beat me senseless (in fact, please do!...oops, wrong forum), but I think there is no such thing as one-tone-cap-fits-all. In fact, I firmly believe that front and rear pickups should have *different* tone caps. The industry's steadfast use of one value, regardless of pickup voicing or pickup use strikes me as just plain boneheaded. Because of the different harmonics emphasized by the location of each pickup, the optimal turnover frequency for its tone control is different. When it comes to rear pickups, what the user wants in a guitar-mounted tone control is something that adjusts from sharp to round. When it comes to neck pickups, the user wants something that goes from vocal to mute. If I wanted mute, I *wouldn't* be using my rear pickup. Cap values of .022 to .047 may work okay for neck pickups, but are as useless as bull mammaries for rear pickups. I would recommend something from 6800pf to .018 (ceramic disk, of course) in its place, ESPECIALLY if you are using a single coil sized pickup. If you have a regular Strat (or clone) with dual tone controls, take it apart RIGHT NOW. That's okay, I'll wait. Doo-dee-doo-dee-doo. Dum-dee-dee-dum....okay, found the screwdriver? Good, now take the pickguard off and you will see that in the interests of economy, Fender or whomever has seen fit to stick ONE capacitor in there to service both tone controls. Take your soldering iron and make that cap serve the middle tone control ONLY. Now, for the bridge tone control, solder a 6800pf-.015uf cap in there (depending on your tastes and tone pot value), and you will be much happier. End of story. When it comes to double-coil pickups, a cap of .01-.02 may be more appropriate for the bridge pickup tone control (different turnover point again). Going higher than a .02 just means that you'll never turn your tone control down past 7. Bear in mind that tone controls normally have a *progressive* effect or "slope". Typically, the slope is 3db/octave. So, with the control turned down full (at which point the tone control is at 0 ohms, so that you effectively have a signal going straight to ground through a cap), an octave above the turnover frequency set by the cap value, the signal is down 3db, an octave above that, down 6db, and so on. Suppose I have a "turnover frequency" of 1000hz. At full "off" rotation, there is a level drop of 3db at 1000hz, relative to 500hz (because that is one octave below 1000hz), a level drop of 6db at 2000hz, 9db at 4000hz, etc. Three DB is essentially "twice as much", but twice as much of what? If the control is only turned down a smidgen, then it's twice as much of a smidgen, and twice as much again one octave further out. If I start the cut lower down in the frequency spectrum, then even a smidgen starts to snowball into something more substantial several octaves up, once we start doubling. If I start higher up, but turn the tone control *down* more, then I may have a higher turnover frequency (starting point), but "twice as much" starts to have a noticeable effect closer to the turnover frequency. For my tastes, larger tone caps tend to have a treble reducing effect across too much of the frequency spectrum for bridge pickups. Even when you turn them partly down, you've reduced the upper midrange a bit, in addition to the treble. With smaller caps, you can still reduce the treble, but the midrange tends not to be affected so much, because the turnover frequency is higher. So, you retain the personality of a bridge pickup, but can adjust the edginess of it. As you notice, more of the control's range "feels" usable because you can still keep the guts of the pickup's sound even when you turn down the tone more. If I may use a physical metaphor, consider going from the top of the Grand Canyon to the bottom. Now, you can leap from the top, OR you can take a long gently sloping path. The actual DESCENT is the same in terms of height, but the experience is VERY different. Similarly, the amount of cut at higher frequencies may be the same with different combinations of control rotation and cap value, but what happens on the way to those higher frequencies (i.e., the effect on midrange) is different. Incidentally, do not confuse the effect of a resistor and cap going to ground with the effect of a resistor in the signal path and a cap going to ground. For the first one, varying the resistance influences how much treble loss there will be at the same turnover point. In the second case, varying the pot leaves the slope intact, but CHANGES THE TURNOVER FREQUENCY. So, you would have a treble cut of 3db/octave, but it may start anywhere from 500hz or so up to 10khz, if you felt like it. If you go to any of the schematic archive sites mentioned here (RG Keen's, Aron Nelson's, Jack Orman's, etc.) you may see a posted schematic for the Proco Rat or the Bixonic Expandora distortion units. Close to the "exit" of the effect, you will see the tone control consisting of a 100k pot, in series with a resistor (which helps to set the lowest possible turnover frequency), and followed by a capacitor going to ground. This is exactly the filter I just alluded to, and the reduction of treble it provides is much greater than what you get on guitar tone controls, even though both use a pot and cap. Finally, turning one's tone control up all the way does not mean that there is *no* treble loss. There is still a path to ground through the control pot and cap, and the twice as much of a smidgen rule still applies. Some players prefer to disengage the tone control from the circuit altogether so that there is no path to ground through the tone cap, and one does tend to notice a bit more sheen and sparkle in the sound. Of course, if you have humbuckers and play through 12" speakers with the treble turned down, you may not notice the high-treble loss through the tone control. On my own guitar, I just use a 3-position toggle for tone. Middle is no tone cut (i.e., no connection through a cap to ground) and the other two positions are two different cap values yielding full 3db/octave slopes at two different turnover frequencies. I find it perfectly adequate. I think what I was trying to bring out in my own post, is that the "tolerance" of the ceramic cap is Most Important, not the value. the tolerance of most ceramic caps is an almost unbelieveable +80 to -20 percent- at this rate the value chosen is almost a moot point- (see what I mean?) The tolerance of the better ceramics is + or - 20 percent, so then the "value" chosen would at least be close. On a Strat (with no other tricks) I prefer a .022 on the neck PU and a .01 or a .022 (which measures on the low side-like .015 or so.)on the bridge PU , with no cap on the middle PU. since its use is mainly for quack in position #2 and #4. I also like to lower the middle PU , which helps fight "stratitis" , gives great quack ,and promotes sustain by reduced magnet attraction- Try it. Also something to think about- The way you mentioned doing the caps and most other methods that are used, end up putting the caps in parallel on one or more of the pickup selections- This is not smart, we all know that caps in parallel Add their value. As you allude to, it is important to realize that WHERE the tone control is in the circuit is important. Ideally, tone controls should PRECEDE the volume control. Where there are separate tone and volume controls, either the tone controls or both tone and volume controls should precede the pickup selector switch, in order to keep them from interacting or having summing effects. E.g. two tone controls w/.02uf caps turned all the way down, would be equivalent to sticking a .04uf cap on the output, if the tone controls followed the volume control. As an aside, this always struck me as a VERY big downside of guitars that had their switching system at the complete opposite end of the instrument relative to the controls, like Les Pauls. How does one run cables from the pickups to the controls, then across to the switch and back to the output jack? Even if you did, how do you do so without incurring noise and tone sucking from cable capacitance? As for the tolerance vs value debate, my own experience with ceramic discs is that they are generally pretty close to what they say they are, unless heat or something equally extreme comes into play. The +80/-20 spec refers to off the shelf value, not an operating fluctuation, and is largely like a contractual loophole ("Yeah I know it SAYS .047uf, but .059uf is still within the terms of our agreement so get off my case"). If anything, even with an 80/20 tolerance spec, modern fabrication techniques should probably achieve more accurate values on a fairly consistent basis. I'm constantly amazed at how easy it is to match caps withing 5% for filters and such with my meter. Rather than look for types of caps, just measure them and use the value that is appropriate for your tonal goals. If it *says* .01uf, and *measures* .013, and it works for you, fine. "...have you tried using any linear tapers for tone control pots? Might there be any advantage in useful control range over the usual audio or log taper pots?" I honestly couldn't tell you what I have and haven't tried. Hell, I'm not even sure if the volume pots in my guitar are even audio taper. I just go through the box of pots until I find something of the desired value that tests good and use that. Having said that, I can see arguments offered for all kinds of tapers, from the anti-log through linear through log or combination tapers. It really depends what you are trying to do and what you are trying to do it to. For example, the late Danny Gatton (listen and be humbled) had a tone control on his Tele that could be used like a low Q wah. The effect was contingent on having a modest amount of pinky action produce a robust effect. Somewhere in there is a combination of specific taper and cap value, such that the "voice" of the guitar would be introduced easily, otherwise it would hamper picking style. For all I know, the remaining 180 degrees of rotation might have produced negligible change. Other players might view their tone pot as a "mood changer", such that the ideal pot would be one that easily identifies and distinguishes a few different tonal moods (strident, confident, sombre) but doesn't have to do a heckuva lot otherwise. Still others want the tone pot to help achieve sonic balance, perhaps by compensating for the room, the speakers, or FX that add harmonics. So much for the "mission" of the tone pot. The context in which one tries to accomplish that mission is another thing. Different pickups and guitars may have different resonances, and the point in the pot's rotation where that resonance is affected (resulting in the perception of a change in the tonal "character") may vary. This is, of course, the source of my unswerving crusade about different cap values for different pickups. If the player routinely uses a distortion device, then different points in the rotation may be "magic" with respect to changing the balance of harmonics. Personally, I would vote for the following general protocol in nailing down what you consider to be the "ideal" tone pot. 1) Start with a larger value pot, say 500k-1meg. Doesn't really matter what taper, for the time being, although linear might be better for doing your calculations. High values are good for being able to fake NO tone pot (i.e., conserve all possible high end in the signal). Some folks like 250k volume pots for single coil pickups to take away the brittle-sounding high end, but even with that compensation, a 500k tone pot will let you keep ALL of the tone you like. 2) Select a cap value in the ballpark; .02-.047 for front pickup, .0082-.015 for rear or single coil. If you aren't sure, just stick an assortment of caps across the two outside lugs of the volume control and think long and hard about whether the voicing provided with the cap is something you would like to play *with* or something that you would rather get around. 3) Wire up the tone pot as per usual, with the preferred cap, and turn the tone up full. With the amp's treble up full or just a bit past where you would usually position it, rotate the tone pot bit by bit until you start to hear what you think of as a taming of treble. Measure the pot value and write it down. Turn the pot a bit more and note the point where the vocal aspects of the pickup start to be affected (i.e., upper bass, lower midrange starts to be affected). 4) Now you can plan out the taper that works for you. - what is the difference in resistance between max and the first change? - where would you like that changeover to be situated on the control; between 9 and 10? between 7 and 10? - what is the difference between max and the second change? between the first change and the second? where would you like that one to be? So, suppose that your ideal first changeover comes at around the 300k mark, and you'd like it to be situated at around the "7" mark on your tone control. So, we intend to have 30% of rotation (number-indexed knobs usually can be treated as referring to percent of rotation) accounting for 40% of the resistance change. Perhaps your next changeover point comes at around 50k, and you'd like it to happen at around the 4 mark on the knob. What happens after that is just more muting. Okay, so now we have the following requirements: - turn down about 30% to get 40% resistance change - turn down about 30% more to get an additional 50% resistance change Plot this out, then go to RG Keen's site and look at the document on pots Then figure out which taper comes closest to what you want, and - using the tips listed - mod the pot from there. http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/potsecrets/potscret.htm Just bear in mind, that the document at GEOFEX is largely pitched at using pots in voltage-divider mode. You will want to use the pots as variable resistors, which will mean bridging one of the outside lugs and wiper, in addition to use of a parallel resistor. (reply) 2. Put a tone control on the bridge pickup by moving one wire on the selector switch. Move the wire that connects the middle pickup to the tone so it connects the bridge pickup to tone instead. Also real easy! 3. Change the tone cap to .015 or .02. This leaves more mids in the guitar signal when you roll the treble off. Gives you a squawkier tone that's not so woofy when you roll off the treble.